haha cheers mate...that sure did help...and it sounds right...lol (camry going to a strip club...haha)...nah tht like makes more sense...if u look out on the roads camry is driven by grannys, celica by younger ppl, and mr2 perhaps even younger guys who push it hard....ill get my mechanic to help me buy one...if i dont find a decent mr2 ill def get the celica st184 or st204....thanks dude