Toyota Aurion with Varex Mufflers

[apg39]

....if it's illegal it's illegal...

I didnt mean to bring up a debate about the legalities, Just thought Id let you guys know...

[DJKOR]

how much is the fine? $1k? a bit more?

Not trying to start any debates or anything, since I'm one to take chances, so I'm not complaining about legality issues. But for anyone out there that are concerned about the fine for not having a cat, I hear that it is something ridiculous like $10k.

[Freddo]

in WA we don't have emissions tests :)

[SILVABULLIT]

yawn...

still talking about this?

if it's illegal it's illegal...

if you still want to do it, do it...

if you don't then don't?

if you get caught by the cops, deal with it then...

if a cop wants to check if i have a cat or not, he can lay flat on his face, stick his head under my car can see for himself...

he'll still see a big fat cat there... (they won't know that there's meant to be two)

if he wants to send my car to the epa, even if it's the next day, i'll just put the cat back in, in the morning...

i don't see what the big issue is? worse case is that you have to pay a few bucks for a fine... (unless they demerit point you?)

are they going to put you in jail for not having a cat?? no... how much is the fine? $1k? a bit more?

cry me a river... spilt milk.

This is an AURION thread, if you're going to cry over something like that, move over the yaris/camry/carolla threads...

those cars might be more in your price range...

you can bitch and moan about what's legal and not legal all you want. And that's all well and good, I know that there are people who are concerned about those things, but at the end of the day, if you want it badly enough do it...

take a risk!

(disclaimer... i didn't know the varex had a remote control to change the volume, i just bought it coz i thought it looked cool... i don't like loud cars... haha)

"hoons usually only get into accidents because other people are driving too slow"

Comment above mate is far from the truth. It is plainly obvious that the majority of Aurion owners are exactly that. They own an Aurion and the only real mods to the car they will do are stereo and perhaps a change of wheels. Anything more than that is obviously out of the question and by the way this thread has gone spending money on their car doing stuff isn't a priority.

The majority of Corolla,Yaris, and some Camry owners are car enthuisasts who enjoy tinkering with their car and using it not only for everyday transport but also for some motorsport orientated events/driving. I know some of the Aurion owners here had a go at some unliked comments about generalising Aurion owners and here you are doing the same back? It's not a case of people cannot afford to own an Aurion and then modify it but more of the case that the Aurion is a family car and is family orientated.

Apart from the effort Toyota put into the TRD Aurion(or lack of) they will always only be seen as Toyota's alternative to the Commodore/Falcon. They certainly aren't a car that attracts interest from car enthuisasts to modify into something wild(but I must admit they do have some qualities I like) hence they tend to go with something like the Corolla or Yaris as they are the popular choices in the Asian countries plus have a lot of stuff available aftermarket.

As for getting fined over having illegal modifications I think there is also some demerit points too. If you choose that route then good for you and then you obviously have got the money to throw away on fines etc but some will want to do it properly and know that their car is 100% legal no matter what the case.

If you are totally worried about getting done for mods by the law then don't do it and drive a stock Aurion. Simple.

[DAR1US]

haha, that's true silva!

very true... ironically

but most people in this thread in particular, are ones who own an aurion and are thinking about doing more than a few superficial mods to it...

$10,000??? are you freaking kidding?

that's insane for a fine!

makes you think twice...

still, all worth it in my eyes!

fyi, it's absolutely impossible to be a hoon if you drive a toyota...

a hoon is only a hoon if he drives a commo or ford.

[AcoustiK]

haha, that's true silva!

very true... ironically

but most people in this thread in particular, are ones who own an aurion and are thinking about doing more than a few superficial mods to it...

$10,000??? are you freaking kidding?

that's insane for a fine!

makes you think twice...

still, all worth it in my eyes!

fyi, it's absolutely impossible to be a hoon if you drive a toyota...

a hoon is only a hoon if he drives a commo or ford.

lol! worth it if you got fined 10K for an exhaust job, I think normal people would not... :o

impossible, how? Ive seen/heard people in corollas, supras, mr2's got their car impounded. Ive heard someone in the lexus LS got impounded too. Rim's and exhaust system just gives the police more visibility to target.

Its not the car, its how you drive it, but then again cops these days tend to flout. and Btw, im sure Drag racing is considered a hoon activity, you could be driving a gogo mobil for who knows and will be caught under the act.

[Pumped]

The majority of Corolla,Yaris, and some Camry owners are car enthuisasts who enjoy tinkering with their car and using it not only for everyday transport but also for some motorsport orientated events/driving.

read what you wrote,

look how many corollas, yaris's and camrys are sold

then tell me how many are modified

"majority"

this entire conversation went to *****, the legalties of someones car come down to the owners choice, who cares, what your saying is irrelevant and ramble

Sif anyone sane uses a yaris at a track event anyway

lol

[dannywss]

The fine for removing a cat, starts from $10k, as told by my mechanic long ago.

Who knows, u might be lucky for the cop to see the 2 other cat and 'seems' normal..

but if he knew there r 3 instead, will end up with fine at the spot, and i dont think they allow u to drive that car anymore..

[Freddo]

as long as u have something that resembles a cat you should be fine. (WA)

just lower the car so they cant get underneath to see the exhaust :)

Edited June 22, 2008 by Freddo

[SILVABULLIT]

The majority of Corolla,Yaris, and some Camry owners are car enthuisasts who enjoy tinkering with their car and using it not only for everyday transport but also for some motorsport orientated events/driving.

read what you wrote,

look how many corollas, yaris's and camrys are sold

then tell me how many are modified

"majority"

this entire conversation went to *****, the legalties of someones car come down to the owners choice, who cares, what your saying is irrelevant and ramble

Sif anyone sane uses a yaris at a track event anyway

lol

Mate if have read this thread we were referring the members of this forum not toyota's in general. So your "majority" are modified and yes i have seen quite a few Yaris/Echo's on a race track and they aint as slow as you think.

So i guess that what you are saying is irrevelant and ramble as you need to do some homework before you shoot your mouth off next time....

So when will you be heading to the track/strip in the TRD Aurion??? Or is it just another car that is just a show boat???

Doesn't matter what you drive. If you got it and you use it then great but don't bag others cause they haven't spent the money you have to just cruise the esplanade looking for a coffee shop.

[marc2020]

If one was worried about legalities then dont do it. It is as simple as that. However I reckon if we stock cats, hollowed them out and ran the new exhaust piping straight though them, it would appear to whoever looks under as if it still has the original cats in. They wouldnt know unless an emissions test was done, in which case you put real cats back in and its all good. Would it be that easy?

[CHA54]

in Queensland recently the police roadside defect stations have been directing cars to the full inspection stations to get the whole car gone over. They basically tell you you have "X" minutes to get to the inspection station... No time to swap your real cat back in place in that situation, and the gas analyser will show pretty quickly you've got a gutted cat.

[DJKOR]

Out of curiosity, if you were to gut the inside of the underbody cat in the Aurion, do you think you may still pass emission tests? Remember, the Aurion has 3 cats to meet the highest European standard which is higher than the Australian standard. So if you gutted the underbody one and left the other two on, there is that possibility that it may pass emision tests to Australian standard and with the appearance of a third one there, everything may be fine.

Just a quote from "FOUR STARS FOR THE NEW TOYOTA AURION"

"The Aurion easily meets what are called the Euro IV emission standards, which are more than twice as tough as the Euro III standards that are currently imposed in Australia."

Just a thought.

[Freddo]

three cats!?

that'd be quite restrictive.

hey, with N/A does there need to be backpressure in the design of the exhaust system? or is the more flow the better? (im a turbo modder)

[SILVABULLIT]

three cats!?

that'd be quite restrictive.

hey, with N/A does there need to be backpressure in the design of the exhaust system? or is the more flow the better? (im a turbo modder)

throw all your turbo ehxaust theories out the window when it coems to N/A. Yes you need back pressure and just the right amount. N/A engines can be very touchy when it comes to back pressure. some make/models like more back pressure than others do. It pays to do your homework on the engine specs etc then speak to an exhaust specialist not a local muffler chop shop.

[AcoustiK]

Yes what Silver said.

Smaller 4cyl to 6cyl cars need the backpressure especially on the lower end of the rev range, if you put like 3" on a 1.8ltr lancer or something u will lose lot of downend power and torque. Just picture sucking on a straw and sucking on a digarido, you can get more turbulance (scavenging) on the straw than the digarido. In essence, on lower revs there is less push for the exhausts to escape and therefore you need the turbulance to pull it out whereas at higher revs theres more push and therefore a thin exhaust becomes a bottle neck.

Thats why Im a bit skeptical on the exhaust issue, especially with the Dual VVTI Id like to seee if there is a complete overall increase in HP or whether an increase is there at high end but a loss of low end has occurred.

Edited June 23, 2008 by AcoustiK

[Freddo]

yeah i remember getting a hotdog and muff for the lil laser back in the day and it made it slower.

so what is the G-O for V6's

[AcoustiK]

yeah i remember getting a hotdog and muff for the lil laser back in the day and it made it slower.

so what is the G-O for V6's

Don't know the full story, but according to Darius he managed something like 5kw-10kw increase in fwkw over another aurion which was stock (variance may attribute to whether either car was broken in properly or not), whether its just peaky or a good overall shift is still in the air...

[marc2020]

He made a 13Kw difference. The stock one was mine, and I think its safe to say I did a fair amount of "breaking it in" lol. We were running the same fuel, and even if you account for the difference in temperature(his run was morning, mine was arvo) you are still only looking at ~1kw. I cant find my dyno sheet, but I remember my power curve being pretty smooth, it was nice curved line, no spikes.

[AcoustiK]

He made a 13Kw difference. The stock one was mine, and I think its safe to say I did a fair amount of "breaking it in" lol. We were running the same fuel, and even if you account for the difference in temperature(his run was morning, mine was arvo) you are still only looking at ~1kw. I cant find my dyno sheet, but I remember my power curve being pretty smooth, it was nice curved line, no spikes.

Yeah that would be great, if you can get one and Darius too, With the 2GE being such a smooth engine I would be suprised if there were spikes!

[marc2020]

Yea for sure, I will try and look for it. I have this nagging suspicion that it may have been placed in a stack of papers and thrown out accidently. I hope that isnt the case :(

[Freddo]

He made a 13Kw difference. The stock one was mine, and I think its safe to say I did a fair amount of "breaking it in" lol. We were running the same fuel, and even if you account for the difference in temperature(his run was morning, mine was arvo) you are still only looking at ~1kw. I cant find my dyno sheet, but I remember my power curve being pretty smooth, it was nice curved line, no spikes.

Yeah that would be great, if you can get one and Darius too, With the 2GE being such a smooth engine I would be suprised if there were spikes!

Aint it a 2GR (2GR-FE) :P

there should be spikes like v-tec yuo! would be more fun.

[AcoustiK]

He made a 13Kw difference. The stock one was mine, and I think its safe to say I did a fair amount of "breaking it in" lol. We were running the same fuel, and even if you account for the difference in temperature(his run was morning, mine was arvo) you are still only looking at ~1kw. I cant find my dyno sheet, but I remember my power curve being pretty smooth, it was nice curved line, no spikes.

Yeah that would be great, if you can get one and Darius too, With the 2GE being such a smooth engine I would be suprised if there were spikes!

Aint it a 2GR (2GR-FE) :P

there should be spikes like v-tec yuo! would be more fun.

Yep your right, 2GR, my mistake.

[DAR1US]

YeAH, I'm going to have to go look for mine too!

I'm not sure, but I think it was sitting with a pile of stuff in my car which I've just recently cleaned out

Need to take a properly look when I have the time

[Freddo]

He made a 13Kw difference. The stock one was mine, and I think its safe to say I did a fair amount of "breaking it in" lol. We were running the same fuel, and even if you account for the difference in temperature(his run was morning, mine was arvo) you are still only looking at ~1kw. I cant find my dyno sheet, but I remember my power curve being pretty smooth, it was nice curved line, no spikes.

Yeah that would be great, if you can get one and Darius too, With the 2GE being such a smooth engine I would be suprised if there were spikes!

Aint it a 2GR (2GR-FE) :P

there should be spikes like v-tec yuo! would be more fun.

Yep your right, 2GR, my mistake.

I don't normally know engine code thingies but i was doing a bit of research on tuning the engines (coz i was bored). apparantly its in a lexus ES350 too and there is a retune available.

my plan is to do intake and exhaust and retune (retune for more power - but mainly economy)