Toyota Aurion with Varex Mufflers

[dannywss]

Guys if you want to get something done as far as exhausts are concerned then we have a forum sponsor who specialises in this sort of stuff. I put up the cash and time for the corolla stuff and the gains were great and worth every cent. Instead of talking about it why don't one of you Aurion guys in Brissy go and see CES and ask them to look at the car and see what is feasible as far as gains are concerned.

Aurion owners in Bris are soo lucky.. wish i can find someone similar in Vic.. this exhaust system is getting me bit crazy..

[selyaT]

I dunno about you guys but I want some more sound clips

[AcoustiK]

Instead of the Varex mufflers, and with the strong aussie dollar, try looking at importing some Borla exhausts, people in the US have been claiming its done benefits.

As for an accident, Im with Luke on this, if its defective and is found defective on inspection you will not be covered. Furthermore you run the risk of police where the accidents are serious, they see it they will charge you as well!

[TRD228]

The warranty for all your major part won't be effected.

Because everything you're changing is after the engine, it won't touch your warranty...

the only thing it will effect is the warranty on you're exhaust, which really can't stuff up anyway.

If you're still unsure about it, go talk to your local toyota service centre.

fyi. the varex cannons will fit, the oval ones might not, I remember having trouble with the oval ones

but none with the cannons.

Hi

Whats the price if you dont mine me asking? Mufflers

[J e r e M y]

I dunno about you guys but I want some more sound clips

x2 x2 x2 x2

Varex + Aurion = SEX to da ears!

PLS DO POST MORE VIDEOS!!! :D

[VF-X]

this one is standard exhaust, dropped from the flanges before the rear muffler

(pretty boring as the sound difference was SFA!)

this one is standard exhaust, dumped at the cat. so no resonator, no mufflers or anything.

these were taken on a phone, so the sound quality isnt that great... the sound from the exhaust was MUCH louder than shown in these clips...

Please please please............ Do record it with a better quality sound...

I cant tell any difference between those 2 clips... :( :(

[dannywss]

Hi

Whats the price if you dont mine me asking? Mufflers

for whole system, meaing the pipe work and 2 canon 3", total of $1200

1 canon is $399

[SecaBoy]

The pics of the resonator and the cat a few posts above look to be almost identical to what is on the Sportivo Corolla in size, looks and dimensions.

This is the same situation we had with the Corolla's a few years ago. everyone wanted someone else to do the hard yards and pay for the R and D on an exhaust system. Then whinge about someone actually doing it and having dyno proof. the whinges then turned into "those figures are wrong" etc etc etc etc.

Guys if you want to get something done as far as exhausts are concerned then we have a forum sponsor who specialises in this sort of stuff. I put up the cash and time for the corolla stuff and the gains were great and worth every cent. Instead of talking about it why don't one of you Aurion guys in Brissy go and see CES and ask them to look at the car and see what is feasible as far as gains are concerned.

This is why you should look in other sections of this forum instead of just staying in your own little corner. You'd be surprised at just how much info there is on TOCAU that you can directly relate to your car........

i would honestly be REALLY surprised/shocked/dumbfounded if the resonator was the same size as the corolla's one... this thing is MASSIVE... from the top of my head, its about a 7" diameter...

in regards to CES....

i'm all for being a "guinea pig" with testing exhausts etc., but without ANY disrespect to you and CES, in the past, i've found their prices to be a LOT higher than other places that offer a similar product...

i know that included in their price is their testing and research, but why do people need to pay for this over and over again? i can understand a slight increase in the price because its a tried and tested product, but the amount they charge, i just cant justify it...

also, dont you think that if you're providing a company a car for them to do R&D on, then you shouldnt really be paying all that much for the exhaust...

at the end of the day, by giving a company your car for R&D, you're making THEM a lot of future business...

i didnt mean to insult you or CES, but its just my views on the matter...

at the end of the day, i know they do quality work over there, but ME PERSONALLY, i just cant justify spending that much on an exhaust from them...

this one is standard exhaust, dropped from the flanges before the rear muffler

(pretty boring as the sound difference was SFA!)

this one is standard exhaust, dumped at the cat. so no resonator, no mufflers or anything.

these were taken on a phone, so the sound quality isnt that great... the sound from the exhaust was MUCH louder than shown in these clips...

Please please please............ Do record it with a better quality sound...

I cant tell any difference between those 2 clips... :( :(

sorry about that!! i stupidly forgot to take my camera with me when i went to my mates workshop..

if i end up doing it again, i'll take some proper clips of it... hopefully they'll turn out better... lol

sorry!!!

[SILVABULLIT]

The pics of the resonator and the cat a few posts above look to be almost identical to what is on the Sportivo Corolla in size, looks and dimensions.

This is the same situation we had with the Corolla's a few years ago. everyone wanted someone else to do the hard yards and pay for the R and D on an exhaust system. Then whinge about someone actually doing it and having dyno proof. the whinges then turned into "those figures are wrong" etc etc etc etc.

Guys if you want to get something done as far as exhausts are concerned then we have a forum sponsor who specialises in this sort of stuff. I put up the cash and time for the corolla stuff and the gains were great and worth every cent. Instead of talking about it why don't one of you Aurion guys in Brissy go and see CES and ask them to look at the car and see what is feasible as far as gains are concerned.

This is why you should look in other sections of this forum instead of just staying in your own little corner. You'd be surprised at just how much info there is on TOCAU that you can directly relate to your car........

i would honestly be REALLY surprised/shocked/dumbfounded if the resonator was the same size as the corolla's one... this thing is MASSIVE... from the top of my head, its about a 7" diameter...

in regards to CES....

i'm all for being a "guinea pig" with testing exhausts etc., but without ANY disrespect to you and CES, in the past, i've found their prices to be a LOT higher than other places that offer a similar product...

i know that included in their price is their testing and research, but why do people need to pay for this over and over again? i can understand a slight increase in the price because its a tried and tested product, but the amount they charge, i just cant justify it...

also, dont you think that if you're providing a company a car for them to do R&D on, then you shouldnt really be paying all that much for the exhaust...

at the end of the day, by giving a company your car for R&D, you're making THEM a lot of future business...

i didnt mean to insult you or CES, but its just my views on the matter...

at the end of the day, i know they do quality work over there, but ME PERSONALLY, i just cant justify spending that much on an exhaust from them...

Yes they are expensive but how many other exhaust shops will guarantee their products to the level CES will? Not to mention their systems(eg sportivo Corolla) are tested and designed to be legal as far as noise is concerned. Very few places will ever do that and I know this for a fact. I paid for my car to be the guinea pig yes and I love what I got cause I got the HP gains as well as it sounded nice without being loud or illegal and it comes with a certificate to say so.(proper DB tested certificate for RTA). So If I get pulled over I show the certificate(which I have done) and all is good.

Yes they have made a lot out of me but if i ever need something they go out fo their way to get it for me. And for minor trivial jobs the cost is at a nicely reduced rate. Some people say that isn't fair but if you look at it from CES' side of things they've sold something like 30 plus catbacks, 10 plus set of headers and about 20 CAI's. Yep they have made a fair deal out of me Trevor is a mate of mine So I am happy to help him out as I know one day he will return the favour.

But in saying all that when we started there was no intention of putting things into a production cycle just me getting some quality work done on my car. But as interest grew in the stuff I had done and more people asked about it I approached them about making more to sell. I basically proved with enquiries that is was viable so they did it.

The big thing you must remember is that The Corollla and the Sportivo are made in larger numbers than Aurions of any model and the people who buy them are more likely to buy the product. Interest in an Aurion exhaust system would be very minimual as most Aurions are bought to be family cars and not someone's project to modify and improve. If guaranteed sales aren't there in a decent quantity then most companies CES included won't be interested.

No exhaust shops around that I know of also do before and after dyno readouts to check on the gains made. That in itself takes time and at least you know you have paid for what you wanted - increase in power/torque.

I have seen and heard of a lot people who have tried to copy CES' Corolla systems and only one has come close to making the HP increase but it was that loud noise wise and the drone was that fierce you couldn't drive it in traffic. Most others haven't made the power and all have the same problem...noise.

That's why I paid what i did cuase I wanted it quiet and not attracting the attention of the Police plus it made the power increase and improved the driving the car out of sight.

At the end of the day it is your car and your money and your decision who you go to get work done of whatever standard. But it's nice to know that shops like CES when you rock up with your car will tell you exactly where it needs the improvements and how it can be done and it can also sound nice AND legal. There are a lot of shops out there that sell "noisepower" and are happy to throw a couple of fart canons under the back to make it sound "sporty" as they say but do they make more power???

As I have said each to their own and it's your car and money so spend it as you wish to. I personally want the best and want quality work and with that comes a quality price tag. You either pay it or go somewhere else......

[dannywss]

Silvabullit, you have to understand that a lot of people just want sound nowadays.. they dont care about increase in power anymore..

not like some of us.. we prefer properly and legally done, with aim of minimal noise and additional increase of power is just perfect..

Simple saying, different people different needs.. for exp: you might only willing to spend $1-1.5k on whole body kit while some guys are willing to spend up to $10k!!

[SILVABULLIT]

Silvabullit, you have to understand that a lot of people just want sound nowadays.. they dont care about increase in power anymore..

not like some of us.. we prefer properly and legally done, with aim of minimal noise and additional increase of power is just perfect..

Simple saying, different people different needs.. for exp: you might only willing to spend $1-1.5k on whole body kit while some guys are willing to spend up to $10k!!

you're 100% right there mate so it is simply impossible to campare the 2. For example you cannot compare the work CES does to the local exhaust shop who mig welds 4" fart cannons on cars all day long.

[dannywss]

you're 100% right there mate so it is simply impossible to campare the 2. For example you cannot compare the work CES does to the local exhaust shop who mig welds 4" fart cannons on cars all day long.

yea yea~~ quality or quantity.. But it doesnt mean CES wont go for quantity too, coz they need to survive too in the market.. BUT again, it just depends what is in their brain,

"Pull every penny from yr *****" or

"hand over yr money and get hxll outta my sight" or

"make your every penny worth it" or

"in the middle of everything"..

apply to every shop~

[SILVABULLIT]

The majority of CES' work is one off custom made stuff. Anything they put into production only gets to the production stage by multiple inquiries from people or they can see that it is going to be something of a viable nature. they are by no means wanting to rip you off, take your money and then tell you to get lost. They really value feedback from their customers on their products. Yes they are expensive but their work is top notch. They employ quality tradesmen and if you are involved in business you pay your staff well and they reward you with good work.

They are heavily involved in motor racing circles from V8 supercars down doing R&D to supplying items. If enough Aurion owners got together and said "we want a good quality cat back that improves power but isn't noisy and legal then my guess is CES would certainly try and help you guys out. If you can get 5+ people to say we want it then it just may happen.

The power of multiple voices can go a long way. That's how the Corolla stuff started.....

[SecaBoy]

SILVABULLIT: i agree with your comments 100%... i dont deny that CES make quality, proven, legal exhausts...

i guess its just the "business man" coming out in me... i refuse to pay for R&D on a product if i'm getting no benefits from doing so... but thats just me... maybe i'm a tight****, maybe i just get my business brain overide my passion for cars... who knows...

i've seen some very good results from their exhausts, so if people want to fork out the extra money, then i would have no hesitation in recommending them to people... :)

[dannywss]

from the response from aurion owner, it is very unlikely a group buy will happen.. might as well find some good mech in melb who is willing to do the R&D for me in melb..

[AcoustiK]

from the response from aurion owner, it is very unlikely a group buy will happen.. might as well find some good mech in melb who is willing to do the R&D for me in melb..

Agree with limited number of people interested in putting in an exhaust for this car and the sceptism of it all, there needs an ice breaker to prove with graph results that power is increased on a drivability and gain/cost perspective.

[VF-X]

I'm Interested...Very!

Having the 'Hoon' sound and a bit increase of the power.. Thou I'm very noob at this..

[DAR1US]

-.-

omg

(good sound)

- varex canon mufflers

- legal (i've already been pulled over for this)

- engine warranty still holds

156kw at the wheels with this set up

144kw at the wheels stock

now stfu!

[Soloman]

Well done dude.. taking the risk for us all.. someone needs to buy you a beer :)

so who said it would not void warrenty? your local dealer?

[dannywss]

- varex canon mufflers

- legal (i've already been pulled over for this)

- engine warranty still holds

now stfu!

this is weird, i was told by YOUR mechanic that it is illegal.

[SecaBoy]

i talked to my toyota servicing place and they said any modifications will void the warranty...

[dannywss]

i talked to my toyota servicing place and they said any modifications will void the warranty...

this is strict, but highly possible.

[AcoustiK]

Darius have you got Dyno Graphs on both stock and your car? I would like to see the curve changes with the exhaust.

as for void warranty, Toyota will do anything to avoid endorsing warranty when they can spot tampering, any mods just gives them ammunition.

[DAR1US]

i don't have stock ones,

but i have the graph of mine, i'll dig it up and scan

i was told by Al at the lane toyota service center that it wouldn't void warranty.

danny, roy the mech who did my car will tell you that it's illegal to be on the safe side.

I've checked the emisions they still meet standards...

but the sound level is illegal, which is why you get the varex so you can soften the sound when you want

[AcoustiK]

i don't have stock ones,

but i have the graph of mine, i'll dig it up and scan

i was told by Al at the lane toyota service center that it wouldn't void warranty.

danny, roy the mech who did my car will tell you that it's illegal to be on the safe side.

I've checked the emisions they still meet standards...

but the sound level is illegal, which is why you get the varex so you can soften the sound when you want

Thanks mate,

Uhhh I would follow up with TMCA (Given the warranty is manufacturers) if I were you, and if they say it doesnt void, tell them to either send a letter or easier an email to say it is, so when the time comes you got something to back u up.