I think theres a misconception here. Stance is all about how well and low your car sits whilst trying to make it flush with the fender or how far it pokes away from the fender. Google hellaflush, stanceworks or stancenation and see some prime examples of stanced cars. Theres a lot of things that makes a good stance. Width, offset, tyre choice, and how low you can go. And with stanced cars, sometimes the lowest a stanced car can go is when the fender hits the rim/wheel. Camber + stretch is just the icing on the cake. Notice style of rims is not included. One can have a shocking looking wheel yet have a sexy as stance. Sunken in wheels + dumped = not stance. Sunken in wheels + dumped = ridin low. And for the record, I know my ride aint stanced nor is it a prime example of a stanced car..yet. Just trying to clear this thread