Rear torsion bar does not necessarily mean bad handling, if that's the case, why did they use a rear torsion bar setup in the new civic type r ? We all know out of the factory the corolla handles like a boat, but if you put some aftermarket sway bars and fit coilovers that have been "properly" setup by someone that knows, strip some weight from the car, put in a lsd - surely this must make it close in terms of handling to a factory dc2r ? I'm still not convinced when people say honda>toyota. Probably true if you're comparing straight out from the factory, but nothing a few aftermarket parts can't fix. Sorry for kicking the dead horse.