Fuel Filter Warning for 50 series Aurion Owners

[Tony Prodigy]

Hi Gents, As Some may be aware, I recently purchased a replacement fuel filter for my car and as it turns out, It's not the correct fitment for the original sender assembly.

They reckon that the Ryco Z936 "fits" the Aurion 50, well I know for a fact that it doesn't. So please don't buy this part for your 50 if you don't want to curse the heck out of whoever sold it to you.

I wasted 2hrs only to discover this. 

I've sent a message to them and have to wait till Monday I guess to see the next course of action.

Not only is the "Fitment Guide" flawed, it also meant that I had to rebuild the original unit and put it all back together, ARGHH !!

No I have to do this job twice. What a P.I.T.A. 

Thank you Ryco !

 

Edited July 24, 2020 by Tony Prodigy

[Tony Prodigy]

Hey guys,

I've sent Ryco a message asking for clarification on this.

I'll let you know the outcome as soon as I know.

Have a great day everyone. 

[Tony Prodigy]

Update. I received a response from Ryco Australia and they reckon that they don't make a fuel filter for the 50 series lol !!

How ridiculous is that ? They are supposed to be a filter company right ??

Also came across this thread. Wish I'd seen it earlier, from our friend Krigeroz

The only thing that looks the closest I found on Ebay was this: 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/COOPER-FUEL-Filter-For-Toyota-Aurion-3-5L-V6-04-12-on-WCF364-By-Zivor/333646960945?hash=item4daee89931:g:EI8AAOSwe0RfA4MY:sc:AU_Regular!2148!AU!-1

Only thing is I'm unsure of the quality of the brand. The price is decent though. Either this or Toyota Stealership

[KAA]

Hmm so a filter company doesn't make a filter??? hmm so of all the vehicles they make filers for the 50 series aurion doesn't count..well we live and learn every day

Yes would have been useful information to have had earlier but at least now we all know

Thanks

KAA

 

[Tony Prodigy]

59 minutes ago, KAA said:

Hmm so a filter company doesn't make a filter??? hmm so of all the vehicles they make filers for the 50 series aurion doesn't count..well we live and learn every day

I have been in touch with Ryco Australia today and here's the tennis match. 

Ryco Australia:

Good morning Tony.

Thanks for your Email.

 I have had a read though and Checked our RYCO system for the Fuel Filter you require.

 For the 50 series Toyota Aurion, we do not list a fuel Filter of any kind.

 I cannot comment on what Sparesbox list, or their system, but I can assure you Tony that there listing is incorrect.

 If you have any other issues or Questions, feel free to call me the number listed below & I’ll be happy to help.

 

Me:

Hi and thanks for the reply.

So, Ryco don't make a fuel filter for a 50 series Aurion then?

I thought Ryco was a filter company.

 

Ryco Australia

 Tony,

 Z936 In tank fuel Filter is for Toyota CAMRY ASV50R series from 12/2011 to 10/2017 only.

 

Me:

 I suspected so. Can I ask why Ryco haven't bothered to make one for the Aurion? There are hundreds of thousands of these on the road.

Can you recommend another brand other than Genuine Parts?

 

Ryco Australia:

Tony,

 As we are an Aftermarket Supplier, it may be a case of that fuel filter is still under Copyright restrictions.

 I shall pass on your feed back to our Engineering team for further clarification.

 

[KAA]

LOL..ok well at least you sent and they replied, so now the buck is passed on too engineering..well never know they may do something..I always will complain when I feel something isn't right.. because unless you do nothing changes..so well done mate

KAA

[ZZT86]

Did Ryco list a part # for the fuel filter to begin with ? It's not listed on their website. I always go by the manufacturers website as the retailer can so easily get it wrong. I feel your pain having to rebuild & install the filter assembly.

[Tony Prodigy]

6 hours ago, ZZT86 said:

Did Ryco list a part # for the fuel filter to begin with ?

I didn't think I had to check (who does really ?) after seeing a plethora of Ryco filters touted as being for an Aurion 50.  I had no idea what the filter in my car actually looked like to be able to compare it to what I'm seeing on ebay etc. It wasn't until I had it out, pulled apart and re assembling, I had the "wait a bloody minute" moment.

I checked the Ryco website thereafter only to see a blank space where the fuel filter for the 50 would've otherwise been. There is a list of all the other conceivable filters available for 40 and 50 cars but NO fuel filter for the 50. Initially I thought it was just an oversight, but as it turns out, not so. 

Who would think in a million years Australia's leading filter company doesn't specify ONE filter out of a Gazzillion others they supply. WT ??

I have found one made by Cooper, which is a company owned by GUD, which also owns Wesfil. If I don't hear back from Toyota soon I may just go with this.

[ZZT86]

It is odd that Ryco don't list it especially given the time Aurion has been around. Mate honestly I would just go genuine which we know is a quality part & it concerns your fuel. Shop around, you may get a good price.

[Tony Prodigy]

7 minutes ago, ZZT86 said:

Mate honestly I would just go genuine

Yep, I'll probably just do that. Still waiting on a response from Ryde Toyota regarding said part..

[Tony Prodigy]

Toyota want $226.90 for the fuel filter. I'm gob smacked, and it has to be ordered as they don't have any in stock. 

Last time I checked, I thought I was driving a Toyota not a BMW. 😞

The fuel filter for my M3 was 1/5th of the price.

Truly bizarre. 

Cooper filter (WCF364) $48.99 or Stealership Genuine $226.90 ???

I have scoured the internet and it looks like Cooper is the ONLY one I could find. It almost feels like a monopoly for GUD (wesfil). I also wonder if a deal was struck by them to be the sole manufacturer for this particular filter too. 

Begs another question. Why was it necessary to redesign, upgrade, change the fuel delivery system of the 40 series to the 50 ??

Similar cars, same engine.. 

 

Edited July 21, 2020 by Tony Prodigy

[campbeam]

I have been thinking that the fuel pump got changed between the 40 and 50 series. Been looking on eBay but have not got a definite answer.

Here is another question. Now that you have cleaned the strainer/sock for the fuel pump, do you really need to change the fuel filter. Maybe it can wait for another day, or not. Given your troubles, once you have the part, you will want to check that it fits.

[Tony Prodigy]

17 minutes ago, campbeam said:

Now that you have cleaned the strainer/sock for the fuel pump, do you really need to change the fuel filter.

You may be right Ash. The sock was blackened. I didn't get a before shot. Wish I did. As soon as I sprayed it with brake cleaner, all the black stuff just melted away. Then I blew it out with some dry nitrogen. ( I have some spare bottles I use for work).

The sock takes the brunt, fuel then passes through the filter before getting pulled and then pushed ? Not sure of the mechanics of the in-tank filter. Car seems fine so I might just wait. Mind you, the filter portion doesn't look anymore discoloured than the rest which could indicate that it's still quite clean. Is this a fair assumption ?

[campbeam]

6 hours ago, Tony Prodigy said:

the filter portion doesn't look anymore discoloured than the rest which could indicate that it's still quite clean. Is this a fair assumption ?

I am thinking that that is a fair assumption. One would think that the sock does the initial filter for any of the larger particles before getting to the fuel pump. Fuel filter will then take care of the much finer particles so that really clean fuel gets to the fuel injectors.

Replacing the fuel filter is on my to do list along with checking/replacing the suspension struts. Certainly thinking of doing both tasks while the rear seat is removed. It should be interesting to see the state of the sock and the filter given that I have been using lots of additive to clean the fuel system.

[Tony Prodigy]

3 hours ago, campbeam said:

It should be interesting to see the state of the sock and the filter

Post up some pics if you could when you do.

[Tony Prodigy]

A quick update on the "wrong fuel filter saga"...

Got a refund and no mention to return it either. I guess they can't do much with a sullied part, so I guess I'll just keep it and give it to someone who needs it.

[nzzr6]

oil filter, fuel filter, air filter, etc better off going genuine :) 

 

My genuine filter cost $60 nzd plus shipping from Partsouq

Edited July 25, 2020 by nzzr6

[Tony Prodigy]

14 hours ago, nzzr6 said:

My genuine filter cost $60 nzd plus shipping from Partsouq

I'm just wondering if what they sell are in fact Toyota Genuine Parts as opposed to "genuine" counterfeits. The counterfeit market is prolific these days. They will make an exact replica of the the item AND the box complete with the official hologram stickers to make it appear Genuine.

Have you checked the pricing from a dealer before purchasing from Partsouq ?

I can't imagine you being able to purchase from an 3rd party seller who underquote the dealer pricing.  

I checked and all they have for the 50 series is a transmission filter, nothing else.

Toyota want $226 for a fuel filter for the 50 series. Would you pay that or $80 for the equivalent in a Ryco ??

There's nothing wrong with Ryco. They are as good as Toyota at half the price.

I wish I could pay $60 for a Genuine filter. I'd buy more than one.

[nzzr6]

20 minutes ago, Tony Prodigy said:

I'm just wondering if what they sell are in fact Toyota Genuine Parts as opposed to "genuine" counterfeits. The counterfeit market is prolific these days. They will make an exact replica of the the item AND the box complete with the official hologram stickers to make it appear Genuine.

Have you checked the pricing from a dealer before purchasing from Partsouq ?

I can't imagine you being able to purchase from an 3rd party seller who underquote the dealer pricing.  

I checked and all they have for the 50 series is a transmission filter, nothing else.

Toyota want $226 for a fuel filter for the 50 series. Would you pay that or $80 for the equivalent in a Ryco ??

There's nothing wrong with Ryco. They are as good as Toyota at half the price.

I wish I could pay $60 for a Genuine filter. I'd buy more than one.

 

Yes, I've ordered multiple parts off them. No problems with any of them. And actually the front strut mounts I ordered from them had Toyota Australia stock movement labels on them. The fuel filter i got from them has been in my car I think since beginning of this year, still performing flawlessly. Dealers just whack massive mark ups on everything

[Tony Prodigy]

I don't understand how they are able to sell Dealer parts less than the dealer ?

I might shoot them a message just as an exercise and see if they can source me a genuine fuel filter and see what price they come up with.

Thanks for the lead though 

[Tony Prodigy]

I messaged Partsouq.com about a replacement fuel filter for the Aurion and this was their response. Why is it so difficult ??

It just gets hilarious by the minute.

Hello Tony

 

Thank you for getting back on us.

As per VIN provided, there is no fuel filter shown in any related diagram,

It could be that the filter is not replaceable or cannot be sold separately.

[nzzr6]

1 hour ago, Tony Prodigy said:

I messaged Partsouq.com about a replacement fuel filter for the Aurion and this was their response. Why is it so difficult ??

It just gets hilarious by the minute.

Hello Tony

 

Thank you for getting back on us.

As per VIN provided, there is no fuel filter shown in any related diagram,

It could be that the filter is not replaceable or cannot be sold separately.

 

1 hour ago, Tony Prodigy said:

I messaged Partsouq.com about a replacement fuel filter for the Aurion and this was their response. Why is it so difficult ??

It just gets hilarious by the minute.

Hello Tony

 

Thank you for getting back on us.

As per VIN provided, there is no fuel filter shown in any related diagram,

It could be that the filter is not replaceable or cannot be sold separately.

I had a look at the 50 series parts catalogue the other day, i didn't see the fuel filter listed as a standalone component like it is on the 40 series. Possibly it is only supplied as part of a larger assembly which might be why its so expensive from Toyota. Not sure. I am not familiar enough with the 40 vs 50 fuel system differences 🙂

[Tony Prodigy]

2 minutes ago, nzzr6 said:

Possibly it is only supplied as part of a larger assembly which might be why its so expensive from Toyota.

I'd have to get some clarification on that. I doubt it though as the assembly has the fuel pump fitted to it too. I can't see Toyota selling it as an assembly WITH the pump for the claimed $226 as quoted. Regardless, there would still be some level of disassembly and reassembly.

I'll let you know.

I did, however, order the Cooper fuel filter and this should be arriving today. I'll post up some pics when I can.

[nzzr6]

What part number did Toyota quote you?

[Tony Prodigy]

3 minutes ago, nzzr6 said:

What part number did Toyota quote you?

I wasn't quoted a part number as such but rather I gave them my VIN and they messaged me the price only

I've sent another dealer a message via Ebay, asking for full clarification. I'll let you know when I do.