That's the first comment I've read about jailbreaking that let's me see the forest through the trees... If you know what I mean. Totally makes sense. Btw my iPhone is not JB. Most people without an iPhone (and even many with) don't understand the point of Jailbreaking 80% of the apps in Cydia/Rock/etc (Jailbroken App stores) would NEVER get in to the normal app store, they use API's not available in the offical Apple SDK, or break the submission rules. I like having access to these apps, as many of them are VERY useful and let me take full advantage of the iPhone (hardware/unix core). However, this by no means negates the need for the App store... I have purchased (and will continue to do so) many, many apps from the official store. Sure, you can pirate app's with a jailbroken phone, and its not that difficult.. but why bother? with 50% of the apps you would ever want being either free or under $2 its not worth it. IMO 80% of people who jailbreak are not hurting apple in any way as we still need/want/use the official channels for obtaining apps/etc I agree about the 80/20 rule in the sense that they are not hurting Apple by way of not purchasing apps and music through them, but they are hurting Apple by recognising that the product isn't good enough not to be JB. What I don't understand is how some JBers can still be loyal to the Brand when it is apparent that it doesn't serve their needs and wants. That's like buying a Honda then putting a Toyota engine in it.