lucio stop being a little girl. if you have a problem, im sure there's someone out there who cares. i, for one, dont give two sh!ts if you dont like CES. if you have a problem with northy, PM him, and sort it out somewhere else. i am sick to death of every thread becoming a CES vs anti-CES war. the CES guys have devoted plenty of time and money into making a great custom product for our car that no other companies seem to have done... and there are PROVEN gains... and for ******s sake - northy said: "the extra cost for the HPC is well worth it, in saying that you could get any of the CAI's HPC'd so it might be an option" YOU COULD GET ANY CAI HPC'd!! BUT THE CES ONE COMES WITH IT!!! why shouldnt he be able to say "hey this product comes with an advantage, and its working in my car, so i recommend it." get a life you moron. .... anyway.... my CAI gets real hot too, im going to try getting some of that wrap stuff and doing my CAI and extractors and see if i get any difference...