TRD SUSPENSION OR D2 COILOVERS?

[BanGn]

what do u guys reckon is better, for street track and mountain runs, comfortabilty isnt an issue...

[MR22ZZ]

Neither: Cusco or Tein

[Northy]

another vote for cusco...

[xoom]

third vote for cusco's ;) ;) ;) ;)

Although i do believe that BanGn was after an opinion between TRD SUSPENSION OR D2 COILOVERS ......

[E-Gene]

I've not really heard great stuff about the D2 coilovers nor the TRD suspension, but yes we've all heard pretty good comments abt Cusco.

[SILVABULLIT]

D2's are ok and are prolly my pick of the 2 mentioned. But if you can afford it then Cusco's are the ducks nuts out of all the coilover's I've seen and are the easiest coilovers I've had to fit yet :D

[shaohaok]

what do u guys reckon is better, for street track and mountain runs, comfortabilty isnt an issue...

one's too soft. the other's too stiff. i'd go with the D2 if it came down to both of these.

[blackstivo]

d2s are crap coilovers. you pay crap money, you get crappy coilovers. simple!

Im in the market for new coilovers and was looking at teins. Has anyone here got tein or cusco coilovers? We are in the market for new coilovers, as the apexi n1's we have arent quite stiff enough for some serious track work.

can anyone tell me how the cusco's or tein's are based on experience. not what they think about them.

Edited March 19, 2006 by blackstivo

[BanGn]

1800 isnt crap money...

d2s are crap coilovers. you pay crap money, you get crappy coilovers. simple!

Im in the market for new coilovers and was looking at teins. Has anyone here got tein or cusco coilovers? We are in the market for new coilovers, as the apexi n1's we have arent quite stiff enough for some serious track work.

can anyone tell me how the cusco's or tein's are based on experience. not what they think about them.

[shaohaok]

d2s are crap coilovers. you pay crap money, you get crappy coilovers. simple!

Im in the market for new coilovers and was looking at teins. Has anyone here got tein or cusco coilovers? We are in the market for new coilovers, as the apexi n1's we have arent quite stiff enough for some serious track work.

can anyone tell me how the cusco's or tein's are based on experience. not what they think about them.

toyotas are crap, too. cheapa55 brand. y don't u get a bmw. but then bmw is cr4p too. buy a ferrari.

everyone has a budget and different objectives. please respect that.

this thread is about BangN asking about TRD suspenion or D2 coilovers. some of us are giving him alternative suggestions that he may not have encountered.

and with regards to cusco's or teins or watever serious track work that "YOU" or "WE" want.. kindly

GET YOUR OWN H0M0 THREAD

Edited March 19, 2006 by shaohaok

[DANZZT231]

Who are "we"?

[SILVABULLIT]

Is it we or Wei?? (as in Wei Wei :P )

[BanGn]

thanks shao,

i just wanted to know if trd suspension is as good as d2 as they are the same price but trd might be a little more comfortable.

I currently have d2 suspension in my car, bit stiff but all good.

[blackstivo]

good on ya shaokhaok another smartass opinuated comment. why dont you stop giving individuals a hard time on this forum for minor slip ups!

[black200]

have you got anything to add to the thread? or are you going to keep riding around the forums on your high horse as usual?

[shaohaok]

d2s are crap coilovers. you pay crap money, you get crappy coilovers. simple!

who's the smartass opinionated one here? that was constructive...

have you got anything to add to the thread? or are you going to keep riding around the forums on your high horse as usual?

i have added my piece to the thread, have u? i only see u carryin blackstivo's balls.

Edited March 19, 2006 by shaohaok

[MAP81]

good on ya shaokhaok another smartass opinuated comment. why dont you stop giving individuals a hard time on this forum for minor slip ups!

Shao's comments were no way what so ever opinuated compared to your

d2s are crap coilovers. you pay crap money, you get crappy coilovers. simple!

It was quite obvious even to the very dim that his

toyotas are crap, too. cheapa55 brand. y don't u get a bmw. but then bmw is cr4p too. buy a ferrari.

comment was sarcastic.... You may feel like you have been given a hard time but geez what do you expect when you make comments like the one above without providing any substance to you claims....

Btw what is your deffinition of Seriuos Trackwork??? my deffinitoin of serious would be competing in some sort of cams affiliated competition or the likes... This brings me to my next question...Since you say you are doing serious trackwork I am kind of stumped as to why you would need comments from forum goers who at best would probably only get out to the track 1 every couple of months???? Shao, Pippy, northy and myself used to attend the Total Driver track days that used to be held up here at darlington park raceway... but now it has be sold they now have thier days out QR but it is mid week so work commitments overtake fun :( . So to answer your question "I think my cuscos are great.... this is talking from first hand experience from the track.... but as to comparing them, the only thing i can compare them to was my previous setup which was tei s-tech springs on stock struts.... So i am sure that someone who does "serious trackwork" would already know that comparing coilovers to a normal spring/dampner setup is like comparing apples and oranges...

About the only person on this forum who i know that could possibly give u a first hand opinion of different brand coilovers in the same car is Pippy... But knowing him i doubt he would bother to reply to someone who seems to post before they think....

Have A Nice Day

[DANZZT231]

I used to run on chop spring

[leasaunce]

Coilover for sure! :)

[blackstivo]

basically, i came on abit strong. In my expereince from close friends who have had d2 branded coilovers, they have turned out to be really poor. In both cases the coilovers have turned out to be really poor even for the competative price they are offered for. 2 sets bieng returned and replaced. Needless to say they both dont use d2s any more. From what i have seen and read they are a knock off of the HKS (hypermax) coilovers - even down to the colour scheme on each coilover.

The frustration you see in the first post comes as a reault of what believe are people giving their opinion without having any particular idea of what they aretalking about. There is plenty of that on this forum, but that is ok free speech is waht makes forums great.

Shaokook, you came here and didnt give much of an input to the thread at all, you just come and troll. Im not sure if you get off on putting people down but hey if thats your thing no worries. i agree to disagree.

Im looking for coilovers that are suited more to track flexibility and duribility, not just a coilover that lower your car and keep the ride soft and smooth. Maybe i should start my own thread, ill cop that one didnt meant to hijack.

I thought maybe some people who take their cars to tracks would be able to give some sort of input, beore i go and spend 2-3k+ blind to what is good and what i should steer clear of. (forgive the pun)

If you like ride comfort, i have some apexi coilovers coming up for sale soon

"I think my cuscos are great.... this is talking from first hand experience from the track" - thats what im after. Apples and oranges sometimes. Ive heard from other people with experience that a well match spring and aftermarket shock combination can be just as good as a set of reasonable coilovers.

anyway theres my $00.10

Edited March 19, 2006 by blackstivo

[shaohaok]

basically, i came on abit strong. In my expereince from close friends who have had d2 branded coilovers, they have turned out to be really poor. In both cases the coilovers have turned out to be really poor even for the competative price they are offered for. 2 sets bieng returned and replaced. Needless to say they both dont use d2s any more. From what i have seen and read they are a knock off of the HKS (hypermax) coilovers - even down to the colour scheme on each coilover.

The frustration you see in the first post comes as a reault of what believe are people giving their opinion without having any particular idea of what they aretalking about. There is plenty of that on this forum, but that is ok free speech is waht makes forums great.

Shaokook, you came here and didnt give much of an input to the thread at all, you just come and troll. Im not sure if you get off on putting people down but hey if thats your thing no worries. i agree to disagree.

Im looking for coilovers that are suited more to track flexibility and duribility, not just a coilover that lower your car and keep the ride soft and smooth. Maybe i should start my own thread, ill cop that one didnt meant to hijack.

I thought maybe some people who take their cars to tracks would be able to give some sort of input, beore i go and spend 2-3k+ blind to what is good and what i should steer clear of. (forgive the pun)

If you like ride comfort, i have some apexi coilovers coming up for sale soon

"I think my cuscos are great.... this is talking from first hand experience from the track" - thats what im after. Apples and oranges sometimes. Ive heard from other people with experience that a well match spring and aftermarket shock combination can be just as good as a set of reasonable coilovers.

anyway theres my $00.10

i didn't come and troll. i think i answered Bangn very fairly. i never said D2s were great. but if i had a choice between the TRD sportivo suspension vs the D2. i'd get the D2 simply coz BanGn wasn't concerned about comfort and wanted performance. i HAVE driven and pushed a ZZE rolla with the TRD sportivo suspension and also another one with D2. i've also driven one with a tein superwagon and i've taken marks car for a brief drive just after he put his cuscos on. if u're going for track use, i would suggest the cusco as well. coz the trd sportivo is closer to being a factory spec lowering. tein's superwagon is good for fastroad use, but still not good enough for track use as it's too soft, however the spring and damper is very well matched, even if u tweak the dampers to hard or soft. having said that, some teins have leaked after track days.

i'm not saying my driving is great. but ppl who've let me drive their cars always know that there is always a certain set road that i will go to and really push it before i dare to make any comment.

Edited March 19, 2006 by shaohaok

[blackstivo]

maybe it was worth saying what you have said there in the first place! :P

also, afaik the TRD sportivo kit is a shock and spring package, however there should be a TRD 'yellows' coilover dedicated for the runx.

Bangn, if your after performance and not comfort go for something like cusco. ps love the video of you eating the honda

[xoom]

The frustration you see in the first post comes as a reault of what believe are people giving their opinion without having any particular idea of what they aretalking about. There is plenty of that on this forum, but that is ok free speech is waht makes forums great.

My corolla is currently sitting on cusco sub zero 2's so im pretty sure that rules me out of ur insinuation above. Previous to this it was on kings/stock shocks. I have driven a corolla on spring/shock package and ive also driven a corolla on d2 coilovers so does that make my vote count now :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Your both lucky u sorted out ur differences otherwise the wooden stick was gonna make another appearance :P :P :P :P :P :P

[shaohaok]

maybe it was worth saying what you have said there in the first place! :P

also, afaik the TRD sportivo kit is a shock and spring package, however there should be a TRD 'yellows' coilover dedicated for the runx.

Bangn, if your after performance and not comfort go for something like cusco. ps love the video of you eating the honda

yes the trd sportivo is a spring and shock combo. kyb make the shocks for them. nothing wrong with a spring shock combo. just that it lacks adjustability over coilovers. one of the best "race" spec suspensions for the echo is actually from TRD and it's just a spring and shock combo.

wat was poor with the D2s? i haven't heard anything bad about the revised gen ones apart from them still being too stiff for road use.

The frustration you see in the first post comes as a reault of what believe are people giving their opinion without having any particular idea of what they aretalking about. There is plenty of that on this forum, but that is ok free speech is waht makes forums great.

Your both lucky u sorted out ur differences otherwise the wooden stick was gonna make another appearance :P :P :P :P :P :P

ew, i thought that was just reserved for northy... he's gonna be upset knowing that he's not so special to xoom anymore :P

[CHA54]

KYB make the dampers for Cusco too.

The thing I like about the cusco's is that they fit perfect first time without needing to modify swaybar mounts or brake line mounts etc.

I've seen fairly new Teins leak and quite a few sets of tein pillowball mounts worn to the point where they're very sloppy.

I'd select the D2 over the TRD suspension though, and from memory you do have a selection of springs to go with from D2 depending on your usage. If you're serious and have a decent range of bump and rebound adjustment on the damper, you can always get whatever springrate you want by simply purchasing king prosport coilover springs for $90ea in whatever rate/length you need. But doing things that way is probably WAY over the heads of 99% of the members here and best left to the specialists. If your valving is wrong the Shock Reconditioners at Slacks creek can revalve the dampers to suit your desired springrate too. Remember there's no point having suspension so stiff that the car skips and bounces over ever little undulation on the street where it isn't a perfectly smooth racetrack surface...

My favorite set of coilovers so far have been a completely custom built set from Fulcrum suspensions in Brisbane. Ended up costing a little over $2500 but were fantastic for the street and track, I did over 60,000km with them. I've currently got another custom set in my corolla and a set of JIC in my wagon. I'm putting Koni coilovers in my Golf when I get around to sorting the suspension on that, but the koni's are more fast-street orientated than being super-stiff chassis twisting spec :P

Edited March 19, 2006 by rollamods